202512 - Scotland Advisory Group Minutes - December 2025 (Easy Read)

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Independent Living Fund Scotland

Scottish Advisory Group Meeting Minutes

11 December 2025

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What this document is about

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This is an Easy Read set of Minutes to say what happened at a meeting.

It is a set of Minutes to say what happened at a meeting.

In this document the Independent Living Fund Scotland is ILF Scotland for short.

This meeting happened at the Radisson Blu Hotel in Glasgow.

It happened from 11am to 3pm on 11 December.

Who was at the meeting?

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Jim Elder-Woodward - Chairperson
Chris Mercer
Chloe and Gordon McKee
Stuart McCabe
Justina Oguguo
Joan Turner
Kate Walsh

ILF Scotland Staff
Peter Scott on Zoom
Lee House
Emma O’Neill on Zoom
Linda Scott
Jill Fotheringham
Karen Burnett on Zoom
Harvey Tilley
Senza Keswa - student at ILF Scotland

Who could not come to the meeting?

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Martha Shortreed
Nic Reid
Andy Higgins
Lors Robinson-Moseley

1. Welcome and introductions

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Jim welcomed everyone to the meeting.

Lee will record the minutes.

Everyone introduced themselves and said what their job was in the group or in ILF Scotland.

2. Minutes from the last meeting

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The minutes were checked and agreed.

There were no other issues in the last minutes.

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3. Anything to add to the agenda

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There was nothing new to add to the agenda.

4. Matters arising - what do we need to talk about?

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Jill and Joan talked about research into Personal Assistant (PA for short) work being done by Glasgow University.

Lisa is a student leading the project.

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Lisa introduced her work to the PA Programme Board.

The Group agreed that the research will be useful as it will support ways to make this part of social care better.

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The Group agreed to invite Lisa to speak at the next meeting in March 2026 to share what her research has found out so far.

Lee will send out the flyer Lisa has made with information about the course she is involved in.

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Group members should contact Lisa if they would like to take part.

ILF Scotland staff will put the flyer on social media.

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Linda said Tom Arthur MSP - Minister for Social Care and Mental Wellbeing - could not come to today’s meeting in person.

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The Group decided to have a meeting with the Minister on 20 January on Zoom.

Lee will send out information to all members about the meeting and how to join it.

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Jim said the Group must keep introductions short at the meeting so there is more time to talk about things.

The meeting will last for 30 minutes.

Linda will send members an agenda and briefing.

5. Review visit update

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At a review visit an Assessor visits a person who gets ILF funding to check:

  • if they are getting their money okay
  • if the money is helping them to live independently
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Linda said all review visits are up to date but there are still problems with:

  • recruitment of PAs – this means how employers advertise jobs and choose people to do them
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  • complicated ways of doing reviews
  • high costs from organisations that provide PAs
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Peter asked if people had any budget cuts from their council:

  • Stuart’s funding was stopped for 2 years after a visit from an Occupational Therapist
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  • Justina did not have much contact with her council when her son left hospital
  • Joan’s council tried to take 5 thousand pounds from her Direct Payments account, which she fought against and won
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Joan would like ILF Scotland to be responsible for Direct Payments Option 1 instead of councils.

6. Re-opening the ILF Scotland Fund

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New people who are getting ILF money have given positive feedback and said it is making a big difference to their lives.

Feedback means to say what they think about things.

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We hope that 1 thousand 4 hundred people will have applied to the fund by the end of the year.

Peter said that ILF Scotland is waiting to hear what money it will get in 2026.

7. Policy Update from Linda

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  1. Co-Production Working Group policy
  • there is now an unpaid care part in the re-opened fund
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    • fund limits are still:
      • 8 hundred pounds
      • 4 hundred and 85 pounds if there is a lot of unpaid care from a live in carer
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    • money from the Scottish Government’s Disability Equality Plan will pay for a project to test applications from Disabled Person’s Organisations (DPOs) to ILF Scotland to see if they work well.
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    The pilot project will start in April 2026 for a year.

    ILF Scotland have 5 applications from DPOs and we will decide about them in January.

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    The Policy Team are looking at how policies link between the re-opened fund and the 2015 fund about:

    • age range
    • disability benefits like DLA
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    • the capital threshold – this means the amount of money a person can own in assets – the things they own that have value like money or a house.

    Linda will say how well this is going at the next Advisory Group meeting.

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    2. Karen talked about the United Nations Convention on the Rights of a Child (UNCRC) work:

    • on 11 key areas in the plan
    • with young people aged 15 to 18 on the Transition Fund
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    • with the Scottish Youth Parliament
    • child-friendly communications and training, including a short online course about child rights
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    Karen will share progress at the next Advisory Group meeting.

    In April 2026 ILF Scotland will report on progress on meeting the UNCRC rules for 2025 to 2026.

    8. ILF Scotland Board Update

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    Linda said the Board and the Scottish Government have approved ILF Scotland’s Strategic Plan 2025 to 2028 and it is on the ILF Scotland website.

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    The Board also approved the Feedback Strategy and Service Charter.
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    We will hear about 2 new Board appointments soon: 1 from Northern Ireland and 1 from Scotland.

    Another person is being considered to work on the Transition Fund.

    9. Any other business - is there anything else we need to talk about?

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    We talked about the agenda for the next Joint Advisory Group meeting.

    How people employ and keep PAs is still very important.

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    Linda suggested that the meeting could include:

    • ways for people to give feedback
    • discussion about Award Management

    The Group agreed.

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    Jim said it was important that DPOs had funding so they can help people apply for the re-opened fund.

    Linda said that Anne-Marie Monaghan will come to the next Scotland Advisory Group meeting in March 2026.

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    The Group would like to have a meeting with the full ILF Scotland Board.

    Linda said the earliest this could happen would be April.

    10. Future meetings and arrangements

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    The next meeting will be in March 2026.

    Lee will send out all meeting dates and times before January.

    In 2026 the Group will have 2 in-person meetings, 1 online meeting in the summer and 1 online meeting at Christmas.

    List of actions

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    1. Lee will send out information about the PA Research Project.
    2. ILF staff will put the flyer on social media.
    3. Lee will send out information about the meeting with the Minister when we know what the time and date will be.
    4. Linda will send out an agenda and briefing for members.
    5. Lee will send out all meeting dates for 2026.
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    202508 - Scotland Advisory Group Minutes - August 2025 (Easy Read)

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    Independent Living Fund Scotland

    Scottish Advisory Group Meeting Minutes

    28 August 2025

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    What this document is about

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    This is an Easy Read set of Minutes to say what happened at a meeting.

    In this document the Independent Living Fund Scotland is ILF Scotland for short.

    The meeting was on 28 August from 11am to 1pm.

    Who was at the meeting?

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    Jim Elder-Woodward - Chairperson
    Chris Mercer
    Chloe and Gordon McKee
    Justina Oguguo
    Nic Reid - left meeting at 12 noon

    ILF Scotland Staff
    Peter Scott
    Lee House
    Emma O’Neill
    Linda Scott
    Jill Fotheringham
    Kathyrn Gibbons

    Who could not come to the meeting?

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    Joan Turner
    Andy Higgins
    Nic Reid
    Stuart McCabe
    Julia Smith

    1. Welcome and Introductions

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    Jim welcomed everyone to the meeting.

    Lee will record the minutes.

    2. Minutes from the last meeting

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    The minutes were checked and agreed.

    All the actions have been done including updates from the meeting with the then Minister for Social Care, Mental Wellbeing and Sport, Marie Todd.

    There were no other issues in the last minutes.

    3. Anything to add to the agenda

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    An agenda is a list of things we will talk about at the meeting.

    There was nothing new to add it.

    4. What do we need to talk about?

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    The new Minister for Social Care and Mental Wellbeing is Tom Arthur MSP.

    Peter and Anne-Marie had a good meeting with him but there will not be much change to policies before the election.

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    Policies are the rules and agreements of an organisation.

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    Important issues are:

    • having people who have been in care on the National Care Service Advisory Board
    • stopping ILF available income charging of 43 pounds a week
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    An available income charge is an amount of money that a recipient pays towards their ILF amount.

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    ILF Scotland will write to the new Minister to tell him about the group and invite him to a future meeting.

    This has now happened and the Minister has been invited to come to the December meeting.

    5. Review visit update

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    At a review visit an assessor visits a person who gets ILF funding to check:

    • if they are getting their money okay
    • if the money is helping them to live independently
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    An assessor checks if something is working well.

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    ILF assessors are having longer more complicated visits because people who get ILF money are finding things difficult.

    The re-opened Fund can give money to 1 thousand 400 people.

    More than 1 thousand applications have been received and 6 hundred people are getting payments.

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    The most important issues are:

    • employing and keeping Personal Assistants (PAs)
    • assessors giving support when there is not enough council support
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    • social work services not having enough money and having to reassess people
    • organisations giving back social care packages they think they are too small
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    • high costs from organisations that provide social care services

    6. Policy update from Linda

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    UNCRC (The United Nations Convention on the Rights of a Child)

    This will be discussed at the next meeting because of staff illness.

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    Flexible Funding (Policy 41)

    People who get ILF money can now apply for one-off payments for things that support them to live independently.

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    The money must be for things that they agreed as part of their ILF Scotland award.

    Group members think this is a good change and asked to get the policy link.

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    ILF Scotland Board Update

    There are spaces for people on the Board and the Scottish Government is working on getting people for this.

    Peter said the Board must have a mix of different kinds of people from different backgrounds.

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    The most important work for the Board is:

    • getting more money for the Transition Fund

    This is a grant of up to 4 thousand pounds for young, disabled people in Scotland to help them try something new and help them get active in their community.

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    It has stayed at 5 million pounds for 10 years even though more people are applying for money from the Fund.

    • making sure the re-opened Fund can keep going and grow to have more than 1 thousand 4 hundred recipients
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    Charter for Involvement

    The most important work is:

    • PA recruitment and retention
    • telling more people in colleges and job centres about the ILF

    Kath will go to all meetings to make sure assessor work links with the work in the charter.

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    Feedback strategy and customer charter – this is our plan for listening to people who get ILF money to:

    • understand their experiences
    • use this information to make what we do better
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    The Group have checked a new version and ILF Scotland’s Senior Management Team and Board will approve them before they are put online.

    A final version will be sent to members for feedback.

    7. Any other business – is there anything else we need to talk about?

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    We talked about the difficulty of advertising for PAs across Scotland.

    Indeed and MyJobScotland have different results across regions.

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    There has been some success getting PAs using local Facebook groups, Job Centres, Nextdoor.co.uk, and colleges and universities for recruiting students.

    ILF staff will look at working with Skills Development Scotland, Job Centres, colleges and universities.

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    We know recruitment is difficult because of low pay, not enough training and agencies working in different ways.

    8. Future meetings and arrangements

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    The next meeting will be on Thursday 11 December including the Christmas meal.

    Members would like to meet in central Glasgow near transport links.
    ILF Scotland will email ideas about this.

    There could be a joint November meeting with the Northern Ireland Advisory Group.

    List of Actions

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    1. Lee will send out Policy 41 Flexible Funding to the Advisory Group
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    202504 - Scotland Advisory Group Minutes - April 2025 (Easy Read)

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    Independent Living Fund Scotland

    Scottish Advisory Group Meeting Minutes

    2 April 2025

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    What this document is about

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    This is an Easy Read set of Minutes to say what happened at a meeting.

    In this document the Independent Living Fund Scotland is ILF Scotland for short.

    The meeting was on 2 April from 11 in the morning to 1 in the afternoon.

    Who was at the meeting?

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    Jim Elder-Woodward - Chairperson
    Andy Higgins
    Steven Hanlon
    Maree Todd
    Chris Mercer
    Chloe McKee
    Gordon McKee
    Justina Oguguo
    Martha Shortreed
    Joan Turner
    Kate Walsh

    ILF Scotland Staff
    Peter Scott
    Lee House
    Harvey Tilley
    Emma O’Neill
    Karen Burnett
    Robert White

    1. Welcome and Introductions

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    Jim welcomed everyone to the meeting.

    Lee will record the minutes.

    2. Minutes from last meeting

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    The minutes were checked and agreed.

    The Communications Team will put them on the ILF website.

    Actions from the last meeting that have been done

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    1. Lee will send out the terms of reference so group members can vote on who they want as Chair and Vice chair.

    Terms of Reference explain the work of an organisation and how it will be done.

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    2. ILF Scotland will draft a letter for Jim to send to ministers to ask about timescales for removing Available Income charges.

    Available Income charge is an amount of money that a recipient pays towards their ILF amount.

    A Recipient is a person who gets ILF money.

    3. Ms Maree Todd, Minister for Social Care, Mental Wellbeing and Sport

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    Jim asked everyone to introduce themselves to Maree before starting the meeting.

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    Each group member described:

    • how ILF Scotland money had made a difference to their life
    • what they enjoyed doing in their life because of having the money
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    Jim will email Maree with anything that could not be covered in the time they had at the meeting.

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    Jim asked Maree if available income would be stopped.

    Maree said thank you to everyone for their hard work to get the ILF Scotland fund re-opened.

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    The Scottish Government is still deciding about having non-residential care charges.

    These are charges for anything other than personal care which is free.

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    Maree understands why the group are frustrated that this is taking a long time.

    ILF Scotland funding will not be stopped while she is Minister for Health and Social Care.

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    It has been difficult to do the recommendations of the Feeley report – this was the review of adult social care in Scotland.

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    Recommendations are what a group thinks should happen.

    We are working with COSLA and setting up an Advisory Board to help with this.

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    Maree would like more money to be put into Social Care across Scotland.

    The Scottish Government cannot make social care better if local councils are not involved.

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    If nothing changes there will have to be a change in the way it is dealt with.

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    Jim asked if a Group Member would be on the Advisory Board.

    Maree said the Board will be led by someone who has:

    • lived experience – this means what they know based on the things they have experienced or gone through
    • the right skills to deal with a group of people with different opinions
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    Maree said the Scottish Government wants social care workers to have higher pay.

    4. What do we need to talk about?

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    Peter talked about the re-opened ILF Scotland fund.

    It is the second year of the re-opened fund and there have been more than 7 hundred applications.

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    ILF Scotland will need to spend the money well and not spend more than is in the budget.

    5. Review visit update

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    At a review visit an assessor visits a person who gets ILF funding to check:

    • if they are getting their money okay
    • if the money is helping them to live independently
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    An assessor checks if something is working well.

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    Robert said the assessor team did 1 thousand and 60 reviews in the last year.

    The time for reviews to be done has come down to 1 hundred and 21 days.

    It takes a long time for local councils to tell people what package of care they will get.

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    The re-opened fund now has 7 hundred and 93 applications which each take around 90 days to complete.

    This is still too long.

    6. PVG Membership

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    PVG is short for Protecting Vulnerable Groups.

    The PVG scheme checks if people have a criminal record and should not be working with children or adults at risk of harm.

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    Karen talked about the new PVG laws that started on 1 April 2025.

    Personal Assistants (PAs) must join the PVG scheme and get a PVG before they have done their job for 3 months.

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    There is information on the ILF Scotland website about this.

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    Karen has asked members for any information about PAs joining the scheme.

    7. Feedback Strategy

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    All the feedback from the events is in a draft report for the Group to say what they think about it.

    8. Anything else we need to talk about

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    Linda said there will be a 10th Celebration event happening in June and the team are working on getting a place to have the event.

    9. Future meetings and arrangements

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    The next meeting is 29 May 2025.

    There could be a joint November meeting with the Northern Ireland Advisory Group.

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    202412 - Scotland Advisory Group Minutes - December 2024 (Easy Read)

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    Independent Living Fund Scotland

    Scottish Advisory Group Meeting Minutes

    5 December 2024

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    What this document is about

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    This is an Easy Read set of Minutes to say what happened at a meeting.

    In this document the Independent Living Fund Scotland is ILF Scotland for short.

    This meeting was at the West Beer Brewery from 11 in the morning to 3 in the afternoon on 5 December.

    Who was at the meeting?

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    Jim Elder-Woodward - Chairperson
    Justina Oguguo
    Joan Turner
    Kate Walsh
    Martha Shortreed
    Chris Mercer
    Mary Bell

    ILF Scotland Staff
    Peter Scott
    Lee House
    Linda Scott
    Karen Burnett
    Robert White
    Lisa McAuslan

    Who could not come to the meeting?

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    Catherine Symington
    Chloe McKee
    Gordon Mckee
    Linda Scott
    Nic Reid
    Stuart McCabe
    Andy Higgins

    1. Welcome and Introductions

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    Jim welcomed everyone to the meeting.

    Lee will record the minutes.

    2. Minutes from last meeting

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    The minutes were checked and agreed.

    The Communications Team will put them on the ILF website.

    3. What do we need to talk about?

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    Harvey said ILF Scotland had 4 online events to make the 2025 to 2028 strategy in partnership with disabled people

    There will be 1 in-person event in early 2025.

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    Harvey said about half of the planned attendees were there but they gave very good feedback.

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    The main things talked about were:

    • unpaid care
    • the threshold sum of the re-opened fund, which people think is a bit high.

    A threshold sum is the amount of money a person must get from their Council to be able to get ILF.

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    • flexibility of funding – this means it can change to meet people’s changing needs
    • how ILF Scotland can be more flexible
    • recruitment of PAs - personal assistants
    • difficulties faced by people living in rural areas – far from cities and towns
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    • the cost of living crisis – this means the cost of everyday things we need like food, clothes and heating is going up a lot

    4. Terms of reference and Chairperson and Vice Chairperson review

    Terms of reference explain the work of our organisation and how it will be done.

    Harvey talked about the terms of reference and how they give information about what is needed for a meeting and how to employ someone.

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    Lee will send the Terms of Reference to group members so they can vote for a Chairperson and Vice Chairperson.

    5. Re-opening the ILF Scotland Fund update

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    Harvey said that there are 3 hundred and 67 applications to the re-opened fund.

    Some councils have not put in any applications but Edinburgh and East Renfrewshire have the most applications.

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    Harvey said ILF Scotland assessors have spent a lot of time supporting councils with training and telling more people about the re-opened fund.

    It has been difficult for councils to have staff available to:

    • find people who should put in an application to the ILF
    • support them to put in an application

    The co-production working group would like voluntary organisations to support people with applications.

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    Harvey said having an unpaid care part in the threshold sum is being considered.

    This would reduce the amount of Self Directed Support money that people need to have to get ILF money.

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    The average award is 2 hundred and 90 pounds a week.

    The threshold sum review paper will be talked about at the next co-production meeting in early 2025.

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    The group asked if Citizen Advice Bureau or ILF Scotland staff could give support with applications.

    6. Review visit update

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    Harvey said review visits are up to date.

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    Difficult things have been:

    • availability of social workers for review meetings
    • getting the right people at the meetings
    • how people are paid and how awards are managed

    7. Policy Update

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    Peter said there had been a reply to the letter sent to the Government about available income removal.

    Available income is money that a recipient pays towards their ILF amount.

    The letter said the Government want to remove available income charges but there is no agreed time for this to be done.

    8. PA awareness raising campaign

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    We will talk about this at the next meeting.

    9. Anything else we need to talk about

    A man asking a question with a speech bubble with a big red cross x in it.

    There was nothing else we needed to talk about.

    12. Future meeting dates

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    The next meeting will be on 12 March 2025.

    List of actions

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    1. Lee will to send out the terms of reference so group members can vote to decide on Chairperson and Vice-Chairperson.
    2. ILF Scotland will draft a letter for Jim to send to ministers about when Available Income charges will be stopped.
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    202408 - Scotland Advisory Group Minutes - August 2024 (Easy Read)

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    Independent Living Fund Scotland

    Scottish Advisory Group Meeting Minutes

    30 August 2024

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    What this document is about

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    This is an Easy Read set of Minutes to say what happened at a meeting.

    In this document the Independent Living Fund Scotland is ILF Scotland for short.

    This meeting was on Zoom from 11 in the morning to 3 in the afternoon on 30 August.

    Who was at the meeting?

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    Jim Elder-Woodward - Chairperson
    Justina Oguguo
    Joan Turner
    Chris Mercer
    Gordon Mckee
    Andy Higgins

    ILF Scotland Staff
    Peter Scott
    Lee House
    Linda Scott
    Karen Burnett
    Robert White
    Lisa McAuslan

    Who could not come to the meeting?

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    Catherine Symington
    Chloe McKee

    1. Welcome and Introductions

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    Jim welcomed everyone to the meeting.

    Lee will record the minutes.

    2. Minutes from last meeting

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    The minutes were checked and agreed.

    The Communications Team will put them on the ILF website.

    Actions from previous meeting

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    Lee will send the presentation from Finbarr Fitzpatrick to the Group – this has been done

    Linda and Peter will find out when contingency funds can be used

    A contingency fund is money that is put aside to cover unexpected costs.

    Jim and Peter will do this action as part of the PA Programme Group

    3. What do we need to talk about?

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    Jim and Peter said there have been no more PA Programme Board meetings.

    If members have any questions they should get in touch with Linda or Peter.

    4. Terms of reference and Chairperson and Vice Chairperson review

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    Linda said that Jim was elected in 2020 so we will need a new election.

    This will be decided at the next meeting.

    5. Re-opening the ILF Scotland Fund update

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    Peter said there have been 1 hundred and 53 applications.

    The target in the first year is 1 thousand applications and we hoped to have around 3 hundred and 50 by now.

    Peter said that Transition Fund applications took time to build up.

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    Peter said that only council Social Work staff can make applications.

    There are not enough Social Work staff and this affects the number of applications.

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    The assessor teams have given local councils advice about how to apply.

    ILF Scotland sent a letter to council leaders to remind them of the Fund and to tell them how many applications their area had made so far.

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    ILF assessors think there will be more applications in the second half of the year.

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    Peter said:

    • people want to make their own applications rather than social workers doing it
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    • a lot of unpaid care is being provided which means that people do not meet the threshold sum to be able to apply

    A threshold sum is the amount of money a person must get from their Council to be able to get ILF.

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    The sub-groups will keep meeting to look at these things.

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    Peter answered questions from Joan and Jim and said:

    • if ILF money is not spent then it could be lost in the future
    • at the moment ILF will not use the full 9 million pounds it has available
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    • the 8 hundred pounds a week threshold sum should not be lowered
    • changing the threshold sum would not change the fact that councils do not have enough staff to do applications
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    • most people who put in successful ILF applications get around 2 thousand 2 hundred pounds a week of support from their council.

    These applicants are already getting a lot of support.

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    Robert said most people do not know enough about:

    • ILF Scotland and the re-opening of the fund
    • the threshold sum and how it works

    He hopes that contacting councils will make more applications happen.

    6. Review visit update

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    Robert said review visits are going well.

    They are happening:

    • almost twice as quickly as this time last year
    • nearly every 2 years
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    Councils are cutting money for respite and day centres.

    This will affect people who get ILF but will also make it harder for councils to meet the threshold sum.

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    Lisa said:

    • she joined ILF Scotland in January from a council
    • not enough people know about ILF
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    • some council staff think the threshold is too high
    • social work could not come to reviews and do paperwork on many cases she was involved in
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    Joan knows people who should apply to ILF but they do not want to contact Social Work.

    Christine knows people who get less support or it has been completely stopped.

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    An assessor told Jim and his friend that they cannot use their payroll accountant.

    ILF Scotland has a list of payroll providers that recipients can choose from.

    Linda will talk to Robert about this.

    7. Policy Update

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    Linda said the maximum ILF Scotland weekly award has gone up for Group 2 to 6 hundred pounds a week and Group 1 thousand pounds a week.

    This makes it easier to deal with wages going up.

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    ILF Scotland can go over the maximum award and information about this is in Policy 20 Payments.

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    Karen will be at a staff session about Award Management and will talk about it at the next meeting in December.

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    Linda said the Government had said there will be no ILF Scotland charges by 2026.

    Peter will try to get more information before the next Group meeting.

    8. Case Studies

    When we look closely at information from one group of people.

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    Clare Henry who has recently joined ILF Scotland will be working on case studies.

    Any work with the PR agency will be completed including:

    • the video of Joan’s PA
    • a blog by Chloe and her PA

    9. PA awareness raising campaign

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    Linda said the campaign will be done using ILF staff skills so it will keep the cost down.

    Lee will send the group information about a recruitment programme and social media PA campaign in South Lanarkshire.

    10. Public Spending

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    Peter said that controls on spending by public bodies mean we cannot book the meeting and Christmas lunch in the hotel we had chosen.

    Lee will look at other options.

    11. Anything else we need to talk about

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    Linda said there are some action points from the last meeting on 28 June 2024.

    Lee will re-send the minutes from the last meeting and arrange a meeting for October.

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    Jim is worried that because PAs must get a Disclosure Scotland check and be members of the PVG Scheme it will limit choice and control.

    Both these things check that someone working with children or vulnerable adults does not have a criminal record.

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    Gordon agrees with the scheme because it will make recruitment safer.

    Linda said ILF Scotland will tell more people about the scheme soon.

    12. Future meeting dates

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    The next meeting will be on 5 December 2024.

    List of actions

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    1. Peter will get a reply from the ScottishGovernment about ILF Scotland charges.
    2. Lee will look at places for theChristmas lunch and meeting.
    3. Lee will send out the minutes from the Joint Stakeholder Group and arrange the next meeting in October.
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    202312 - Scotland Advisory Group Minutes - December 2023 (Easy Read)

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    Independent Living Fund Scotland

    Scottish Recipient Advisory Group Meeting Minutes

    21 December 2023

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    Who was at this meeting?

    Jim Elder-Woodward
    Chloe McKee
    Gordon Mckee
    Christine Mercer
    Justina Oguguo
    Martha Shortreed

    In Attendance
    Finbarr Fitzpatrick
    Anne-Marie Monghan

    ILF Scotland Staff
    Peter Scott
    Lee House
    Linda Scott
    Harvey Tilley - joined at 2.40pm and left at 2.52pm
    Emma O'Neill

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    Who could not come to the meeting?

    Joan Turner
    Catherine Symington

    Actions

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    1. Invite Maree Todd to the next Advisory Group Meeting

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    2. Contingency funds to be added to the next agenda.

    A contingency fund is money that is put aside to cover unexpected costs.

    1. Welcome and Introductions

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    Jim Elder-Woodward welcomed everyone to the meeting.

    Everyone agreed to Lee recording the meeting.

    2. Minutes from previous meeting

    The minutes of the last meeting were agreed.

    Lee will give them to the communications team so they can put them on the website.

    Actions from previous meeting

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    1. Linda and Peter will discuss and provide some clarity on the circumstances when contingency funds can be used.

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    2. Lee to share the presentation from Finbarr Fitzpatrick to the group.

    3. Matters arising – what do we need to talk about?

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    Anne-Marie Monaghan introduced herself to the Advisory group and talked about her new role as chair of the board.

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    A lady looks confused. Behind her is a green book with a signpost on it and the word guidance.

    A meeting has been set up in early 2024 with the ILF Scotland assessors to discuss guidance about contingency funds.

    Jim asked Peter if there is any UK Government money that has been allocated for ILF Scotland that has not been spent.

    Peter said that ILF Scotland takes the money that it needs to spend from the Scottish Government.

    It might not always take the full amount that is available for each year.

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    Peter said that the Scottish Government have promised to stop care charges.

    Gordon felt it would be worth writing to the Scottish Government about this.

    Peter has asked we invite Maree Todd to the next meeting in 2024 to answer these questions.

    4. Re-opening 2015 update - Jim Elder-Woodward

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    Peter said the Advisory Group’s letters and meetings with Government ministers were very important in the decision to reopen the ILF.

    The fund will reopen in April 2024 with 9 million pounds.

    Work has started on

    • bringing new staff into the ILF team
    • systems - how we work
    • policies – the rules and agreements of the organisation
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    Consultation events have started.

    Some Advisory Group members went to the first co-production event at Murrayfield in Edinburgh.

    All the minutes from the event are on the website with information about January and February events.

    5. 2015 fund evaluation and social return on investment

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    A social return on investment (SROI) looks at the benefits of a project that are not just about money.

    For example it could support people’s wellbeing, or help to reduce inequality.

    Finbarr Fitzpatrick gave a presentation on the 2015 Fund evaluation.

    The most important points were that ILF Scotland supports people
    with independent living outcomes including:

    • spending time with other people
    • hobbies
    • education
    • healthy relationships

    For every £1 spent on ILF £13 was made in social value – important outcomes that are not about money.

    6. Joint stakeholder event update - Harvey Tilley

    Harvey said the Scottish Parliament has been booked for the 28 March from 5.30pm to 7.30pm for the re-opening celebration event.

    We have booked rooms at the Village Hotel in Edinburgh:

    • for people staying over before the event
    • for the Joint Stakeholder group meeting with dinner afterwards
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    Harvey said we should discuss the agenda with Jim and get a final version.

    7. Any other business – what else do we need to talk about?

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    Justina asked if anyone had a Personal Assistant (PA) that was a member of the union.

    No-one did.

    Peter advised that the Scottish Government is interested in the PA network.
    The network is hoping to get bigger.

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    Anne-Marie said a lot of work has been done on the Scottish PA network.

    They are trying to start a place where PAs can get together.

    They hope a discount card system will be set up to support PAs.

    8. Date of the next meeting

    Lee will send out the dates for 2024.

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    202312 - Northern Ireland Advisory Group Minutes - December 2023 (Easy Read)

    Independent Living Fund Scotland

    Northern Ireland Stakeholder Group Meeting Minutes

    19 December 2023

    Easy Read

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    Who was at this meeting?

    The meeting happened on Tuesday 5 December from 11.30am to 3pm.

    The meeting happened in 2 ways:

    • on Zoom
    • at the Mount Conference Centre in Belfast

    Permanent Members

    David McDonald, Chair
    Niqi Rainey
    Frances McHugh (on Zoom)
    Robert Dallas
    Collette Jones
    Caroline Wheeler
    Kieran McCarthy (on Zoom, left meeting at 12:25)

    Affiliate Members

    Amanda Paul (left meeting at 13:30)
    Bryan Myles

    From ILF Scotland

    Linda Scott
    Lee House
    Peter Scott
    Harvey Tilley
    Robert White

    Who could not come to the meeting?

    Michaela Hollywood

    List of Actions

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    • Linda to share with Bryan the AI / Uplift records of the accounts that Lothian Council for Inclusive Living manage

    An uplift is an increase in the level of pay.

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    • Linda will email the group with the main ways that money could be saved when the fund is re-opened
    • Lee will email:

    - details of training of PAs to the Stakeholder Group

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    Insurance could be invalid if PAs are not trained properly.

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    - the link from the ILF Scotland website on Advanced Care Planning to the Group

    Advance care planning means making decisions about the care you would want to get if you could not speak for yourself in the future.

    • assessors from Northern Ireland will find recipients to be interviewed by Finbarr as part of the social return on investment evaluation work

    A recipient is someone who gets ILF money.

    1. Welcome

    David welcomed everyone and checked everyone was okay with the meeting sound being recorded.

    2. Minutes of previous meeting

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    Everyone agreed the Minutes from February 2022 were fine.

    The Minutes will be put on the ILF website.

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    Actions from the last meeting:

    • Colin and Linda will talk about increasing the rate of PA pay by 12 per cent before April 2023 and backdating the increase to 1 April 2022

    This action has happened.

    • Lee will share weblinks from Michaela to the communication team on PA support and training

    3. Matters arising - what do we need to talk about

    There were no new things we needed to talk about.

    4. Re-opening of the 2015 Fund in Northern Ireland

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    Harvey said that because there is no Northern Ireland Assembly in place, they do not know if the fund can re-open.

    Colin will work on a new proposal to be sent to the Permanent Secretary in April 2024.

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    David suggested that people leaving hospital and returning home should be part of the new proposal.

    Harvey agreed that this will be included.

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    Niqi suggested that it would be a good idea to include information comparing ILF Scotland recipients to non ILF Scotland recipients for how many people had to have a hospital stay, particularly for Covid.

    A recipient is someone who gets ILF money.

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    Linda said we could give the number of recipients who have advised ILF Scotland of hospital stays but was not sure if they will be able to mention Covid or not.

    ILF Scotland will look more at this.

    5. ILF Available Income reduction

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    Linda confirmed that all uplifts have happened to the new maximum of 43 pounds a week or less.

    David thanked Peter, Harvey, Linda and everyone else at ILF Scotland and Mark and Colin at the Department of Health who have worked hard on this.

    6. PA increases in wages

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    Linda asked the group if they agreed with the way to uplift PA rates by 12 per cent, as agreed between the Department of Health and ILF Scotland.

    Any recipient who pays their PA 14 pounds and 75 pence an hour keeps this rate.

    Any recipient’s PA who is paid below the national minimum wage will be increased to 9 pounds 50 pence an hour.

    April and 2023 calendar icons.

    These increases will happen for most recipients by the beginning of April 2023.

    The increases may take a bit longer if a recipient is having a review visit or their money has been suspended.

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    The Group accepted the proposals and thanked everyone involved at ILF Scotland and the NI Department of Health.

    It will make a big difference to hiring and keeping PAs and to all our lives.

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    Members asked that future increases happen in time for recipients and Award Managers to increase PA wages on 6 April.

    Peter will talk to the Government about this as soon as possible.

    7. Review visits

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    Robert said that ILF Scotland are behind on review visits because:

    • it is complicated to hire and keep PAs
    • assessors are finding it difficult to have social workers at review visits
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    Urgent reviews will always happen first.

    Robert will keep giving the Group information about this.

    8. Stakeholder / Advisory Group meeting

    Harvey said we must send a proposal to the Scottish Government before ILF Scotland can plan a joint event.

    David will invite the Permanent Secretary of the NI Department of Health.

    A working group will start in April or May with members from Scotland and Northern Ireland to plan the event for September or October.

    9. Advanced Care Planning

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    Linda said that ILF Scotland has added information about advanced care planning to its website.

    10. PA training programme

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    David asked that we talk about this at the next meeting so Michaela can be there.

    11. Supporting Award Managers / Third Party payroll

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    Peter said the Department of Health are looking at this and Colin will then give an update to the Stakeholder Group.

    12. Charter for Involvement and ILF Scotland meetings

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    Emma will arrange a working group to decide what work is the most important.

    Linda said that ILF Scotland are looking at what recipients said in feedback surveys and this will be linked into the Charter.

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    Linda said that working groups will be arranged to start in the first 3 months of 2024. ILF Scotland will publish an updated action plan in April 2024.

    13. Any Other Business

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    No one had anything to add.

    14. Next Meeting

    Lee will check potential dates with The Mount and will send out ‘save the dates’ emails to Group members.

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    202309 - Northern Ireland Advisory Group Minutes - September 2023 (Easy Read)

    Independent Living Fund Scotland

    Northern Ireland Stakeholder Group Meeting Minutes

    19 September 2023

    Easy Read

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    Who was at this meeting?

    The meeting happened on 19 September from 11.30am to 3pm.

    The meeting happened in 2 ways:

    • on Zoom
    • at the Mount Conference Centre in Belfast

    Permanent Members

    David McDonald, Chair
    Caroline Wheeler
    Niqi Rainey
    Robert Dallas
    Frances McHugh (on Zoom)

    Affiliate Members

    Amanda Paul
    Bryan Myles

    From ILF Scotland

    Elizabeth McGarrity
    Harvey Tilley (on Zoom)
    Lee House
    Linda Scott
    Peter Scott (on Zoom)
    Robert White
    Sandra Sweeney

    Department of Health Representatives in Attendance

    Colin Dunlop

    Other Attendees

    Danny Donnelly (MLA)
    Finbarr Fitzpatrick (Bis improvement)
    Jack Armstrong (Policy & Research Officer for Danny Donnelly)
    Mervyn Bothwell (NISCC)

    Who could not come to the meeting?

    Collette Jones
    Kieran McCarthy (Vice Chairperson)
    Michaela Hollywood

    List of Actions

    • Lee will use a new way to arrange future meetings and not use doodle polls
    • Lee to re-send links from Michaela to Stakeholder Group about PA support and the future landing programme
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    • Lee to send the presentation out on PA support and training from Mervyn Bothwell (Complete)

    These 3 actions have happened.

    • assessors from Northern Ireland will find recipients to be interviewed by Finbarr as part of the social return on investment evaluation work

    A recipient is someone who gets ILF money.

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    A social return on investment looks at the benefits of a project that are not just about money.

    For example it could support people’s wellbeing, or help to reduce inequality.

    1. Welcome, introductions, apologies and housekeeping

    David welcomed everyone to the meeting and said when guests would be taking part in the meeting.

    Lee explained where the fire exits are.

    2. Minutes of previous meeting

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    David asked that the minutes have more detail about who is giving information and speaking at the meeting.

    The minutes of the last meeting were approved and the ILF Communications Team will put them on the website.

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    Actions from the last meeting:

    • Colin and Linda to talk about putting the PA rate up by 12 per cent before April 2023 and backdating it to 1 April 2022.
    • Lee to share links from Michaela to the communication team on PA support and future landing programme.

    Both these actions have been done.

    3. Matters arising - what do we need to talk about

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    Niqi asked if the Charter for Involvement meetings were going ahead.

    Linda said this is on the agenda for the meeting.

    4. Re-opening of the 2015 Fund in Northern Ireland

    David is pleased that the Fund in Scotland will re-open in April 2024.

    Colin said there is still no Minister and no Executive in the Northern Ireland Department of Health.

    Colin has spoken with Jack Blaik and will finish information for the Department of Health about:

    • the work being done by the Scottish Government to have the Fund re-opened
    • there is likely to be pressure to re-open in Northern Ireland

    Caroline said that disabled people in Northern Ireland would not get the same amount of funding as Scotland.

    Robert and Niqi supported this statement and agreed with David’s suggestion of writing to the Permanent Secretary.

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    David said we must:

    • raise the re-opening of the Fund with all the main political parties in Northern Ireland
    • get re-opening included in the Programme for Government
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    The Group agreed that David would invite the Permanent Secretary to a meeting to discuss the re-opening of the Fund.

    David talked about a report about the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities.

    The report mentions the ILF and that it needs to re-open.

    David will give more information about the UN Convention at the next meeting.

    The UN Convention and how it links to the Fund, will be discussed later in this meeting.

    David will include the UN Convention in his letter to the Permanent Secretary.

    Peter said that feedback from Scottish Government showed that the main things affecting the Fund reopening included:

    • ILF Scotland has a good reputation and people are confident that it can do the work
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    • DPOs lobbying – this means DPOs trying to get a politician to support the campaign to reopen the Fund
    • demand for ILF Scotland to reopen as part of the Shadow Geneva Report

    David suggested that Group members might link with members of other organisations they know.

    5. Social Return on Investment valuation

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    Finbarr talked about the research so far.

    The evaluation from 4 years ago will be updated to include the cost-of-living crisis and the COVID-19 pandemic.

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    Finbarr has had 3 interviews with recipients and has 2 more planned in the coming weeks.

    So far, people have had good experiences and have coped during the Covid pandemic.

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    Linda asked the Stakeholder Group to get in touch with Finbarr if they want to be interviewed for the research.

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    Finbarr explained that themes coming through the research so far include:

    • how Covid affected people’s health
    • keeping PAs
    • being able to work flexibly using the furlough scheme
    • the good impact that ILF Scotland has

    Finbarr said the report will be finished by the end of October 2023.

    6. Policy Update - Suspensions

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    Linda said that funding may be suspended for different reasons and sometimes can be permanently closed.

    The proposed change in policy would mean that an award would stay suspended but could be re-started if applicants are still eligible.

    The policy also means that ILF Scotland can pay awards after 28 days if recipients in hospital need support from their PA or support provider, up to 6 months.

    After 6 months each case will be looked at individually.

    Both sponsor teams have agreed the proposals in the revised draft.

    The draft is now out for consultation with the Stakeholder and Advisory Groups.

    David said the policy should be clearer about who contacts ILF Scotland to advise of hospital stays.

    Linda asked members to email any comments to her.

    Caroline talked about self-employed PAs and private providers charging a ‘private’ rate to Recipients of £18 per hour.

    Linda will talk about this with Robert White.

    Niqi asked how strict ILF were at applying the Threshold Sum.

    Linda said the rules had relaxed in the Covid pandemic but that assessors are now making sure that Trusts follow the rules.

    Caroline talked about Direct Payments and the cost of daycare.

    7. Supporting Award Managers / Third Party Payroll

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    Colin is waiting for information about this.

    He will update the Group as soon as he can.

    This will be on the agenda for the next meeting.

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    Caroline commented on the amount of time, effort, and money she spends on admin tasks about the PAs that care for Lee.

    This affects the amount of time she can spend with Lee.

    8. UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities

    David introduced Jack Armstrong.

    Jack is the policy and research officer for Danny Donnelly - MLA for East Antrim.

    They are looking at proposals for a Private Members Bill for when there is a new Assembly in place.

    They want the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities to be put into domestic law.

    They are hoping that the new Minister will include this in the next Programme for Government.

    David said:

    • this must be about much more than just accessibility for disabled people
    • it should also consider the right to independent living
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    David raised issues about:

    • travel accessibility
    • complex assistance
    • additional funding needed for severely disabled people
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    Niqi said there is a great loss to society if disabled people are not included.

    Caroline said that:

    • the voices of disabled people and their loved ones are not being heard
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    • the Government does not recognise the contribution of unpaid carers and that social care would fold without this.

    David reminded the Group that:

    • Article 19 of the Convention must be used to push for ILF re-opening
    • carers are getting older and are worried about the future care of their loved ones

    Bryan asked how the bill was being promoted and if all political parties were supporting this submission.

    Jack said this is part of an Alliance Manifesto and that:

    • they are working on what it will say
    • promotion will be important

    They will use the group that Danny sits on and consultation to help with this.

    Danny introduced himself and asked for feedback on what should be in his submission to the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities.

    He gave the history of the Fund and noted that ILF reopening was not in the Manifesto.

    David said that:

    • Article 19 is very important to the ILF
    • how important it is that our most severely disabled people can get out and about and be heard

    Amanda spoke about how she relies on unpaid care because paid care just ‘gets her up’.

    Caroline said:

    • there are 3 hundred and 60 thousand unpaid carers in Northern Ireland and they need time to themselves
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    • ILF is empowering and gives disabled people and their families a quality of life
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    We must get the bill passed so that ILF is reopened and people get quick assessments.

    David said this must happen in a way that protects disabled people’s rights.

    Danny agreed that it is about being treated with dignity as equal citizens.

    Niqi said it is about the right to be independent and have choice and control in your life.

    We take that for granted but disabled people should have this too and it is so much cheaper to have people at home than in care.

    Caroline said it is positive to have disabled people as part of the community.

    Niqi said that all ILF funding is used to support disabled people.

    9. Joint Stakeholder Meeting Update

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    Members are disappointed the joint event in October had to be rescheduled.

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    Linda said sorry and that:

    • Harvey had sent out a letter explaining why the event was postponed
    • she will set up a planning meeting soon

    10. Review Visit Update

    Liz said there are 2 assessors for Northern Ireland.

    Sandra Sweeney will now be supporting in a management capacity.

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    Linda spoke about:

    • all Trust areas are finding it difficult to get day care
    • getting information for care schedules
    • how difficult it is for recipients to keep PAs

    Caroline said:

    • PAs need £15 an hour
    • it is difficult it is to get PAs trained and to keep them
    • Trusts will not train one PA but employers cannot wait for group training

    11. PA training programme

    Mervyn shared a presentation about free learning for PAs.

    He advised about access to the app and where to find more information.

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    Niqi asked:

    • if there was a cost to register with the Northern Ireland Social Care Council
    • if it would be possible to have a separate section for PAs

    Mervyn said it costs £30 to register.

    Mervyn said safe practice modules are being introduced next year for social care workers.

    Mervyn said safe practice modules are being introduced next year for social care workers.

    They must do these in the first 6 months of employment.

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    Some PAs may be family members.

    Lee will share the presentation and video with the Stakeholder Group.

    12. Charter for Involvement

    Linda said:

    • Emma is off sick and the meetings would happen when she comes back, hopefully in October
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    We only need 1 or 2 meetings to:

    • look at what work has happened
    • decide the order that the work must be finished

    Recipient feedback will be discussed at the meetings.

    It was stopped because of Covid-19 and has not re-started.

    There is a link between the Charter for Involvement and ILF Scotland’s Equalities statements, which need to be renewed in April 24.

    13. Terms of Reference and Membership

    David suggested that:

    • Amanda can be a member and also represent The Omnibus Partnership
    • we could invite Michael Lorimer to be an Affiliate Member

    Michael is Chairperson of the Independent Monitoring Mechanism for Northern Ireland.

    This is the organisation that checks how the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities will be followed here.

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    David suggested that the Stakeholder Group become a Disabled Person’s Organisation (DPO).

    Everyone agreed to David’s suggestions.

    Frances asked for all Group members to lobby other groups as well as their MLAs.

    Peter wants to think more about the Group becoming a DPO.

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    David asked that the Terms of Reference be checked at the next meeting.

    We must look at the quorum and those members not attending.

    A quorum is the smallest number of people who must be at a meeting for it to take place.

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    Linda will draft a letter for David to tell members they will be removed from the group if they have not attended in the last year.

    People will have a chance to respond.

    Everyone agreed to this.

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    David asked members to think about changing the name to Advisory Group, like Scotland.

    This will be on the agenda for the next meeting.

    13. Any Other Business

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    Bryan said his organisation is having an event at the Stormont Hotel on 7 November.

    All Stakeholder Group members and ILF Scotland staff are welcome to attend.

    14. Next Meeting

    Next meeting - Tuesday 5 December at the Mount Conference Centre where a Christmas lunch will be provided.

    The meeting will also be on Zoom.

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    202308 - Scotland Advisory Group Minutes - August 2023 (Easy Read)

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    Independent Living Fund Scotland

    Scottish Recipient Advisory Group Meeting Minutes

    17 August 2023

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    Who was at this meeting?

    Jim Elder-Woodward
    Andy Higgins
    Chloe McKee
    Gordon Mckee
    Christine Mercer
    Nic Reid
    Martha Shortreed - left the meeting at 15.18
    Julia Smith

    In Attendance
    Jack Blaik - joined at 1.30pm
    Finbarr Fitzpatrick - left at 15.04pm
    Johanne McBean - joined at 15.23pm

    ILF Scotland Staff
    Peter Scott
    Lee House
    Linda Scott
    Harvey Tilley
    Catherine Symington

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    Who could not come to the meeting?

    Joan Turner

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    Actions

    1. Linda and Peter will talk and be clear about when contingency funds can be used.

      A contingency fund is money that is put aside to cover unexpected costs.
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    1. Lee will share the presentation from Finbarr with the group.
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    1. Welcome and Introductions

    Jim Elder-Woodward welcomed everyone to the meeting.

    Everyone agreed to Lee recording the meeting.

    2. Minutes from previous meeting

    The minutes of the last meeting were agreed.

    Lee will give them to the communications team so they can put them on the website.

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    Actions from previous meeting

    1. Lee will talk with Alan Clarkson about starting the waiting room feature for our Advisory Group meetings on Zoom.

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    2. Linda will organise a separate meeting to discuss having a social return on investment exercise for the 2015 fund in Scotland.

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    A social return on investment looks at the benefits of a project that are not just about money.
    For example it could support people’s wellbeing, or help to reduce inequality.

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    3. Advisory Group members to email what they think about the Strategic Outcomes document to Linda.

    All these actions have been done.

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    3. Matters arising – what do we need to talk about?

    Jim asked everyone to raise a hand on Zoom if they would like to make a point or ask a question.

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    4. Re-opening 2015 update - Jim Elder-Woodward

    Peter said the Labour MSP Paul O’Kane has asked some questions in the Scottish Parliament about this.

    These questions have been answered.

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    The Scottish Government have said that it is still checking that the fund has enough money to do its work before it can re-open.

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    The statements about engagement opportunities were from a meeting with Peter and the Chair of ILF Scotland’s Board and the Minister.

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    Peter said the Scottish Government has given just over 53 million pounds to the ILF 2015 Fund.

    From 2016 to 2023 around 40 million pounds was not spent on ILF Scotland.

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    Nic suggested we ask the Scottish Government to say where this money was spent.

    Julia asked if the Scottish Government was allowed to spend the 2025 fund on other things.

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    The Group agreed to ask the Minister this at the meeting on 25 September.

    This meeting date has now been changed.

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    5. Personal Assistant (PA) conditions - Andy Higgins

    Andy shared a paper with the Group about PA issues including:

    • if PAs can be paid during their breaks
    • PA travel

    This asked if ILF Scotland could cover the taxi fare or mileage at 45 pence per mile for PAs to use their car when supporting a recipient to travel.

    A recipient is a person who gets ILF money.

    Mileage costs are how much money is paid for each mile of travel.

    Nic said her PA had asked about mileage costs.

    • PA wages

    Andy would like all PAs to be paid 12 pounds an hour.

    Julia said it is difficult for her to hire a PA because of the low wage.

    People are more likely to work for supermarkets that pay more.

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    Christine said it is important to keep PAs so that recipients get support that stays the same.

    Wages are the main things that makes it hard for people to keep PAs.

    Gordon said he could not get PAs with experience when offering 10 pounds 90 pence an hour.

    Christine asked if ILF Scotland could look at an ILF minimum wage that is separate from the Scottish Government care wage.

    A minimum wage is the lowest amount of money you should be paid.

    Linda and Peter will talk about this, and will explain at the next meeting how contingency funds can be used.

    6. PA Programme Board Update - Jack Blaik

    Jack said one of the recommendations from the review of adult social care (also called the Feeley review) is that:

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    • PAs should be more valued

    Valued means that people think that they are important and recognise that they do a good job.

    • the challenges that disabled people face when they are trying to hire and retain PAs should be recognised

    Jack said the Programme Board are still talking about this.

    Jack said the Scottish Government have agreed to deliver the 12 pounds an hour wage for PAs.

    We do not know when this will happen.

    Jack said it is difficult because there are different rates of pay across the 32 Scottish local councils.

    A National Care Service would help to make this better.

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    Jack said there is a slight chance that the rules and registration of PAs could change.

    Information about this could be in the independent review that ends in September 2023.

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    7. 2015 fund evaluation and social return on investment - Finbarr Fitzpatrick

    Finbarr’s work will be very important in supporting the ILF Scotland 2015 fund re-opening.

    Linda said the Advisory Group must agree to this work happening.

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    The Advisory Group could support Finbarr by:

    • taking part in interviews
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    • saying what they think of the draft report

    Finbarr shared a presentation about the 2019 Northern Ireland report.

    He is updating the information in this report.

    The Scottish report compares Scottish information with information from Northern Ireland report.

    We have not asked for a full report because a lot of the issues will be the same in Northern Ireland and Scotland.

    Important things like the covid pandemic and the cost-of-living crisis will be in the Scottish report.

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    Linda asked if Jim and the Group were happy with this and they said yes.

    8. Joint stakeholder and advisory group event update - Harvey Tilley

    Harvey said the event has been moved to 28 March 2024.

    There was no space in Parliament to have the event in October as planned.

    9. SDSS Training Framework (Johanne McBean)

    Johanne talked about PA training.

    A group is looking at training, and health and wellbeing for personal assistants:

    • to give help to PAs, particularly new PAs
    • to support people to be better employers

    Gordon and Chloe said it is important that PA training is right for each recipient.

    10. Policy Update - Linda Scott

    Linda will send out the draft suspension policy 38 after her meeting with Jack and Colin.

    Suspension is when a recipient’s money is stopped for a while.

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    The sponsor team are still talking about increasing the maximum award for an ILF recipient.

    This must be affordable now and in future years.

    11. Charter for Involvement - Emma O’Neill

    This will move to the next meeting as Emma is off work.

    12. Using the words ‘disabled people’ or ‘people with disabilities’ - Nic Reid

    This will move to the next meeting.

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    13. Any other business – what else do we need to talk about?

    There was nothing else we needed to talk about.

    14. Date of the next meeting - Linda Scott

    Lee to look at dates for meeting in person and to include a Christmas lunch.

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    202312 - Scotland Advisory Group Minutes - December 2023

    Note of Meeting
    Scotland Advisory Group Meeting

    Thursday 21 December, via Zoom

    Present

    In Attendance

    ILF Scotland Staff

    Apologies

    List of Actions:

    1. Welcome and Introductions

    Jim Elder-Woodward welcomed everyone to the meeting. Everyone agreed to Lee recording the meeting.

    2. Minutes from previous meetings

    Minutes agreed and signed off. Lee to pass to communications team to be uploaded to ILF Scotland website.

    Actions from previous meeting

    3. Matters Arising

    Anne-Marie Monaghan introduced herself to the Advisory group and advised on her new role as chair of the board.

    Contingency funds – a meeting has been set up in early 2024 with the ILF Scotland assessors to discuss guidance.

    Jim asked Peter if there was an answer to the question of how any underspend of the money from the UK Government that is allocated for ILF Scotland for disabled people in Scotland was spent. Peter advised Jim that that ILF Scotland draws down the money that it needs to spend from the Scottish Government and that this might not always be the full budget allocation in any one year. Peter confirmed the commitment to abolish care charges from the Scottish Government.

    Gordon advised the group that he felt it would be worth writing to the Scottish Government about abolishing the charges.

    Peter has asked we invite Maree Todd to the next meeting in 2024 to address these questions raised.

    4. Re-Opening 2015 Update (Jim Elder-Woodward)

    Peter acknowledged that the Advisory Group was instrumental in the 2015 fund re-opening. The letters and meetings with various ministers were key in re- decision.

    The fund will re-open in April 2024 with an initial investment of 9 million pounds. Work has begun on bringing new staff on board along with system and policy work. Consultation events have started and a few Advisory Group members attended the first co-production event at Murrayfield in Edinburgh. All the minutes from the event are now uploaded to the website with all the details of the future events in January and February.

    5. 2015 Fund Evaluation and SROI

    Finbarr Fitzpatrick gave a presentation on the 2015 Fund evaluation. The key aspects mentioned was that ILF Scotland was an enabler for independent living outcomes including socialisation and hobbies. There were key points made about a pathway to education and healthy relationships. SROI calculations found that for every £1 spent £12 to £13 was generated in social value.

    Harvey Tilley joined the meeting at 2.40pm

    6. Joint Stakeholder Event Update

    Harvey advised the group that the Scottish Parliament has been booked for the 28 March, 5.30pm to 7.30pm for the re-opening celebration event. We have confirmed rooms at the Village Hotel in Edinburgh for people staying over before the event and for the Joint Stakeholder group meeting with dinner afterwards. Harvey advised that we should discuss the agenda with Jim and finalise.

    Harvey Tilley left the meeting at 2.52pm

    7. Any Other Business

    Justina asked if anyone had a PA that was a member of the union to which the reply was none.

    Peter advised that the PA network was gaining interest from the Scottish Government and was looking to expand.

    Anne-Marie Monaghan advised that a lot of work has been completed around the Scottish PA network and they are trying to establish a place where a PAs can get together. There is also a hope that a discount card system will be set up to support PAs.

    14. Next Meetings

    Lee will send out in the advance the dates for 2024.

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